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Secret Aiming Techniques / Strategies

  1. by rrick33  collapse this post

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    Secret Aiming Techniques / Strategies

    I'm looking for a few strong "B" to "A" ranked players who are willing to discuss how they sight their shots for accuracy. I posed this question in the "Ask the Pro's/Instructor" section but they are unwilling to address the issue unless you want to pay for the course.

    Since this is an open forum, I'd be curious if any advanced players are willing to discuss this critial aspect of the game which often sets the good players apart from the great players.
  2. by altarik  collapse this post

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    I believe that right hander should aim by their right eye and left hander should aim by their left eye. I can play both of my hands and my right eye has weaker vision, so I use my left eye only whether I play left or right.
  3. by Dave Manasseri  collapse this post

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    Aiming systems can be complicated, and easily misunderstood when you read about them. Because I teach different methods, I have always been interested in various approaches to aiming. If anyone is interested in this topic but new to the game, it would take alot of research and practice to fully understand. There are so many out there, a post would simply be inadequate. To me, this topic is book worthy. What I can do is give you a good place to start, here:

    Billiards and Pool Aiming FAQs


    Experience tells me that no matter what someone else does to aim, your brain might not embrace the shot in the same way. This is why it's important to understand and experiment with differnet methods. You never know what might work better for you until you try. And I dont mean 2 or 3 shots, give each technique a reasonable amount of time. It could take hours, days or even years. No matter the method, getting good at it will probably not be easy.

    As far as what I do when I play, I usually do not use any systems. I find that systems are good for finding the correct aiming line, but I dont usually have trouble seeing that. So, I try to concentrate on the ball to ball contact points....and adjust my aim from there. When I cannot "see" a particular shot well (or when my brain cannot feel the shot) I sometimes turn to a system. Keep in mind that I have been playing my own way for a long time, so I am only doing what I think works best for me. If I had more options while I was learning, perhaps my approach would be different today.

    The best aiming technique is the one that YOUR brain clicks best with. Learning different methods allows your brain to see the same shot in a different way, and thats a good thing. It's up to you learn these choices, then see them on the table.

    As far as "secret systems" go, there are many controversial methods out there. Most of these are pivot based systems, which on paper can be very hard to understand. Perhaps this is why some people are reluctant to discuss them. I know I also could not discuss these systems, but thats only because I cannot explain them on paper. I once had one of Tom Simpsons students come to me for a lesson, and the guy knew many of these systems better than I did. Some of these methods have not been proven geometrically, yet they are effective. If anyone would like to torture themselves by reading about methods such as CTE, go for it. AZB has the most info I have seen on the topic. All that did for me was make my head spin, but others may benefit.
    Dave Manasseri

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    Elmhurst NY, 11373
  4. by altarik  collapse this post

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    oh! Mr. Dave got it. I come back to tell you more but he got it. The page he provide is informative enough.
  5. by Ken Rinaman  collapse this post

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    I doubt this is the answer you are looking for but I'll give it any how.

    The secret pros use for accuracy is practicing, then practicing some more, and then when they are done with that practice even more. Most of them can't tell you how they aim because they don't even think about it. They just "see" the shot and then shoot it.

    Keep in mind there is two parts to making an accurate shot. One part is aiming at the correct location and the second is hitting that location. The hitting the location part is the harder of the two.

    As dave said there are various aiming systems out there and some are pretty controversial and have had some pretty heated debate about them. Putting them on paper isn't easy. Tom Simpson's class on them is a full day and it's jammed packed at that. If you want to learn these systems he's the guy to go to.

    I will close with an aiming mistake I see a lot in the APA and a shot I had lots of problems with until I realized what I was doing.

    The shot below is a common shot in pool and I see it missed all the time. Most of the time it's missed as show on page 2. Which is under cutting the ball and hitting the rail. The aiming mistake people make is aiming for the back of the pocket. Page 3 shows where people tend to aim, note where the ball hits the rail. Page 4 shows where you need to aim. The problem occurs because people are looking at the pocket from behind the cue ball and aiming for the center of the pocket from that perspective (page 5 the A is the players head and the line of sight to the pocket).

    http://CueTable.com/P/?@3ATeB4PApG@3...WKi4kApG3kTMh@

    I should note that throw is another cause for missing like this. In fact, that is the typical explanation I hear. IMO most of the time not compensating for throw isn't the issue. I say this because I've seen numerous people setup and miss this shot a couple times in a row by undercutting it. Then they overcut it (page 6) and say "man, I undercut it X times in a row so I overcut it and hit right where I was aiming for". If it was an issue with throw aiming for the spot on page 6 would go in.

    Hopefully that made sense and helps....
  6. by Wei Chao  collapse this post

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    Hi,
    Here is krinaman's layout. It looks like we have a glitch again with the automatic layout posting function here. For the meanwhile, you might want to use the cuetable button to show layouts...



    <a href="http://pool.bz" title="http://CueTable.com/P/?@3ATeB4PApG@3ATeB4PApG3UTeB3Uaso3UWSj3UQFI4kApG3kSWj@3ATeB4PApG3UTeB3Uass3UdGszc4kApG3kSnj@3ATeB4PApG3UTeB3UaEd3Ualyzc4kApG3kSWj3kSWj@3ATeB4PApG1QNoi1lNoi3lcpw@3ATeB4PApG3UTeB3UWKi4kApG3kTMh@"><img src="http://cuetable.com/images/facebook-cuetable.gif" height="1" width="1" border="0" ></a> <a href="http://cuetable.com/Support/Installing_Adobe_Shockwave.htm"> <IMG SRC="http://images/CueTableShockwaveMsg.jpg" BORDER="0" alt=""></a>


    Believe it or not, I still use ghost ball on most shots between 20 - 70 degrees. I somehow developed a feel for it. It was explained here: http://pool.bz/billiard-discussions/...post-ever.html



    I have got helps from instructors every now and then to make sure I am on the right track. I think it makes perfect sense to get all the fundamentals checked before we learning new skills. Here is an example. I had Mark help me once and he set up a simple straight in shot for me. I could make it all day long with no problem. He had pointed out I actually aim a little to the left even though I could swear I am straight as an arrow. I then realized I had a small perception problem. He then helped me fine-tuning my posture. It took me a while to correct it, and I am still not fully recovered. However, I am very happy because I have become more confident in my aiming now .


    <a href="http://pool.bz" title="http://CueTable.com/P/?@4AOXm2PNiS4UOXm4UbSg2kNiS4kNRX@"><img src="http://cuetable.com/images/facebook-cuetable.gif" height="1" width="1" border="0" ></a> <a href="http://cuetable.com/Support/Installing_Adobe_Shockwave.htm"> <IMG SRC="http://images/CueTableShockwaveMsg.jpg" BORDER="0" alt=""></a>
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